At what point does trespassing become self defense? What are the necessary conditions for this line to be crossed from trespassing to self defense?
07.06.2025 14:16
My friend who lives up in the wild-side of the mountains, is always having to deal with poaching and illegal fishing on his property. He’s exempted from any murder charges, after having to deal with the first handful, he acquired permission from the Authorities.
On another land I owned, I had several poachers who trespassed. I detained them at gun point, until the Police arrived, and both were arrested. I had to mount on horseback to follow the trail to how they even got into my land it turned out that they cut through a Commercial Business’s property through the back and made a trail and once they arrived to the fence, they actually cut the fence so they could drive further (about a mile and half) and park their vehicle that was difficult to see from all angles.
Back in 1998, I was sadden to find out that the poachers shot and killed his wife and seriously injured his daughter who was with her mom almost taking her life as well. The suspects remained at large, until 2003 (I think) when those 2 suspects were caught and arrested. The same weapons used to kill his wife and shot his daughter was still in their possession!
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Bottom line here was - I was no longer the owner of the property. In addition, the Judge also asked me some questions which I answered - “Yes, your honor, my former property had poaching problem which was why I installed the electric fence.”
The fine line is how you deal with people.
The Judge had me to fax that information. Once he received that, the honorable Judge threw the case out and told them they could NOT file it again (with prejudice).
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I wound up installing electric fence.
On our land (the neighbor’s and mine) poachers were becoming very brave and bold! They were killing out cattle - cows, sheep, goats, if it had meat on it - they will find a way!
On the land I owned years ago, which was very large, was a problematic location (not just mine but also my neighbor’s who borderlines it). It was a poacher’s delight. They would sneak in through the State Owned Land (even though the Wardens always blocks access, these idiots would make another one).
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They (Poachers and Fisher and Gatherers) really go after him firing handguns to rifles, one even tossed a grenade! He’s shot a lot of trespassers (several were killed) and there’s more than ample warning signs posted! Not only has he shot them, so have Deputies and Wardens as well (some have been killed). People trespassing are considered “armed and dangerous” in addition to “being totally unpredictable”. As for the guy who tossed a grenade, is in Federal Prison.
Well it turned out that ding-dong lawyer went to look the permits up and found my name on there and filed it against me. He lost big time because “I” had already sold the land and it was no longer in my possession, in addition, I had signs posted every 25 feet and not every 100 feet when I provided the Judge the photos.
I had to contact the xxx County Courthouse to request a video hearing, and at first the Judge denied it, which I appealed, he didn’t realize I was living in Florida then approved of it. During the hearing, the Stupid Lawyer tried to claim 1.5 million dollars due to injuries sustained by the “victim” caused by “my electric fence” that failed to have “posted warning signs every 100 feet”.
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On top of everything, he has to deal with people poaching for ginger roots! He has electric fence, but that doesn’t stop them, when there’s DOLLAR SIGNS on something, people WILL find a way!
In spite of signs - stating “Private property” “No Hunting” “No Fishing” “No Trespassing”. Poachers will poach - period! It’s just a matter of catching them in the act and getting them caught and arrested!
About 11 months after selling the property (because we were returning back to Florida), I received a nasty lawsuit. I was being sued because a poacher cut the electric fence and almost killing himself, sustained 2nd and 3rd degree burns.
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Only my neighbor’s son, had a “shoot out”, the poachers fired at him after he ordered them off the property and he returned fire, injuring both men. Both of those men were arrested without bond and sentenced to prison.
Illegal Hunting and Illegal Fishing is always a problem everywhere; just as much as cattle rustling! It’s one thing to love the land you live on, it’s another thing when people trespass and disrupts it all.
As far as I know, they still live on the property. They are very well off, and they live off from genuine rubies and sapphires, on top of the gold. They have their own private mine which is on their property in an undisclosed but heavily secured location.
Because I had friends who were authorities in that State, I had them to do a research on the person who hired the lawyer. In fact, I presented that information to the Judge as well: (Name) has no license to hunt or fish. (Name) is also a convicted felon, not allowed to own rifles or handguns. (Name) had priors with the State Game Commission for multiple violations (reading the violations).
I confronted him and asked “Why are you suing me for? Where did you get my information from?”
On the flip side of the coin, you do get “lost people”, they do not make attempts to hide anything, in fact, they would literally run up to you with expressions of relief! That’s how you can tell them apart! Lost people won’t run from you, they will go up to you! Poachers and illegals will RUN FROM you!
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